When reading all messages I see a word (VERT) or (VERT/PPALACE) next after the FROM: name. What is that mean? Why is it there? Sorry for asking so much stupid questions but everything is new to me. Thanks for your help.

Cordially,

Peter Jaramillo
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Re: Question
By: Peter to All on Wed Nov 11 2015 03:29 am

When reading all messages I see a word (VERT) or (VERT/PPALACE) next after the FROM: name. What is that mean? Why is it there? Sorry for asking so much stupid questions but everything is new to me. Thanks for your help.

That's the path back to the original BBS the message came from. If it's just "VERT", it was written on VERT, and your system got it from there. If it's "VERT/PPALACE", it was written on PPALACE, sent to VERT, then sent to your system.

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Re: Question
By: Deuce to Peter on Wed Nov 11 2015 11:10 am

That's the path back to the original BBS the message came from. If it's just "VERT", it was written on VERT, and your system got it from there. If it's "VERT/PPALACE", it was written on PPALACE, sent to VERT, then sent to your system.

I see, then it is technical information. I would like "not to see" that in the header of every message. It is NOT necessary. The less crauwded the better. I like simple things. How do I remove that information from every message?

It doesn't really matter how the message traveled to get here in front of my eyes, al long as it gest here. Plus, almost everyone uses a signature advertising their bbs anyway. So, why so much duplication of information.

Thanks for your help,

Peter Jaramillo
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Re: Question
By: Peter to Deuce on Wed Nov 11 2015 06:22 pm

Re: Question
By: Deuce to Peter on Wed Nov 11 2015 11:10 am

That's the path back to the original BBS the message came from. If it's just "VERT", it was written on VERT, and your system got it from there. If it's "VERT/PPALACE", it was written on PPALACE, sent to VERT, then sent to your system.

I see, then it is technical information.

It's the address of the system from where the message came. Do you consider the "@domain" portion of the email addresses you see while reading emails, "technical information" too?

I would like "not to see" that in the header of every message.

You don't. The address is only displayed in networked-messages. Locally posted messages, if you have any of those, won't have an address in the header.

It is NOT necessary. The less crauwded the better. I like simple things.

Okay. But when you see multiple messages from "Mike" or "Bob" and they're actually different people (because they came from different systems), that could be confusing. Nothing is actually "necessary", but I find the address to be useful.

How do I remove that information from every message?

Rename the file "msghdrexample.asc" in your text/menu directory to just "msghdr.asc". That will cause sbbs to then use the contents of that file for your message headers. Edit the file and change the line that says "MSG_FROM-L" to "MSG_FROM_NAME-L". Remove any fields/lines you don't want and colorize or change how you like.

See http://wiki.synchro.net/custom:atcodes for details.

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Re: Question
By: Digital Man to Peter on Wed Nov 11 2015 07:24 pm


I see. So, BOB from one network would be also BOB from other network. Big problem. I thought that each individual joining DOVE would have a unique email adreess, like peter@bbs.daprose.net would be different than peter@vert.syncho.net . By the way, I logged in at your bbs and created an account as Peter, and I started to receive all messages I received on mine.

Why did that happen? Peter at my BBS should no be the same as Peter on your BBS. It must be trated as two different persons. Please do not take it wrong. I did like to be recognized in your system, but that shouldn't happen anyway. Dpn't you think so?

Cordially,

Peter Jaramillo
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telnet://bbs.daprose.net

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Re: Question
By: Peter to Digital Man on Thu Nov 12 2015 03:26:36

I see. So, BOB from one network would be also BOB from other network. Big problem. I thought that each individual joining DOVE would have a unique email adreess, like peter@bbs.daprose.net would be different than peter@vert.syncho.net . By the way, I logged in at your bbs and created an

That is quite literally what he just finished telling you, except that you've brought email addresses into the discussion for some reason. peter@VERT/PPALACE is different from peter@VERT or peter@VERT/ECBBS, etc.

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Re: Question
By: Peter to Digital Man on Thu Nov 12 2015 03:26 am

Re: Question
By: Digital Man to Peter on Wed Nov 11 2015 07:24 pm

I see. So, BOB from one network would be also BOB from other network.

Such a BOB may or may not be, but without knowing the address of the system from which the message originated, it could be hard to tell.

Big
problem. I thought that each individual joining DOVE would have a unique email adreess, like peter@bbs.daprose.net would be different than peter@vert.syncho.net .

DOVE-Net is a QWK network (primarly), so Internet email addresses (as you used in your exmaple) are not normally passed around in public message headers. Instead, QWKnetworking addresses are. So in DOVE-Net, I'm "digital man@VERT".

By the way, I logged in at your bbs and created an
account as Peter, and I started to receive all messages I received on mine.

Why did that happen?

Probably because by "messages" you mean public posts. Everyone can see the public replies to your messages, not just you and not just on your BBS.

Peter at my BBS should no be the same as Peter on your
BBS. It must be trated as two different persons. Please do not take it wrong. I did like to be recognized in your system, but that shouldn't happen anyway. Dpn't you think so?

Peter@DAPROSE is not necessarily the same person as Peter@VERT. That's what I was saying. Now if you use a common short name, it's possible you could be notified of public messages received for a different Peter, but that doesn't mean you'd be able to read the private mail/messages destined for someone else. Most BBS users either use a unique alias (like "digital man") or their full real name (like "Rob Swindell"). If you want to be known as just "Peter" on any network, you risk being confused with other Peters on the same network.

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Re: Question
By: Digital Man to Peter on Fri Nov 13 2015 12:44 am

it's possible you could be
notified of public messages received for a different Peter, but that doesn't mean you'd be able to read the private mail/messages destined for someone else.

This SHOULD NOT happen, even in the echo areas. Then, something is not working right or should be fixed. It happened as you mention. I was receiving all messages I was not supposed to receive because I was a different Peter at a different BBS. This is something to pass it alone to the programmer so he/she can improve that part. It should not happen.

Most BBS users either use a unique alias (like "digital man") or their
full real name (like "Rob Swindell"). If you want to be known as just

I see, so I have to change my nick an call myself Peter-TRu-lulu-lalala !

hehehehe, I would prefer just be the only one and unique peter.bbs.daprose.net , don't you think that is unique enought??? I would preffer not to have any restrictions as to what name I want to use. Nor I think we should put ouor users in that dilema. If I choos PeterPan, sooner or later there will be another PeterPan and we both will be reading the same echo mail and responding what we do not suppose to respond.

Cordially,

Peter Jaramillo
SYSOP at DAPROSE
telnet://bbs.daprose.net

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Re: Question
By: Peter to Digital Man on Fri Nov 13 2015 04:21:05

This SHOULD NOT happen, even in the echo areas. Then, something is not working right or should be fixed. It happened as you mention. I was receiving all messages I was not supposed to receive because I was a different Peter at a different BBS. This is something to pass it alone to

I'm fairly certain that you're talking about public messages, which anybody can read regardless of who they're addressed to. Correct me if I'm wrong and you're actually talking about private netmail - but otherwise I suspect that you're assuming a level of privacy and addressing that simply isn't there.

I see, so I have to change my nick an call myself Peter-TRu-lulu-lalala !

Or you could use your judgement. If you're in a wide-open public forum, and reading a message addressed to something as generic as 'Peter', be prepared for the possibility that it's addressed to a 'Peter' other than yourself. Infer from content and context whether or not the message was intended for you or someone with the same name.

peter.bbs.daprose.net , don't you think that is unique enought??? I would

Sure, that's unique enough - but that's not who the message is addressed to. This message, for example, is addressed to 'Peter' and nothing more.

think we should put ouor users in that dilema. If I choos PeterPan, sooner or later there will be another PeterPan and we both will be reading the same echo mail and responding what we do not suppose to respond.

There's really no 'suppose' about it. In an open message area, anyone can respond to any message that they want. (Case in point, I'm replying, to you, to a message that you addressed to DM, in which I am entirely a third party.) Worst case, you see a message that somebody wrote to a 'Peter', and you reply to it, and a bit of confusion ensues.

That said, I did just check the headers for all of the messages in this sub on my system, and the 'to_net_addr' property isn't populated on any. There is probably a reason for that, but if that information were available it might remove some ambiguity for you. However, not every BBS would display that information, and in fact by default most would not.

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Most BBS users either use a unique alias (like "digital man") or their full real name (like "Rob Swindell"). If you want to be known as just

I see, so I have to change my nick an call myself Peter-TRu-lulu-lalala !

hehehehe, I would prefer just be the only one and unique peter.bbs.daprose.net , don't you think that is unique enought??? I would preffer not to have any restrictions as to what name I want to use. Nor I think we should put ouor users in that dilema. If I choos PeterPan, sooner or later there will be another PeterPan and we both will be reading the

same

echo mail and responding what we do not suppose to respond.

That's just how it works in a public message forum. Also, if there is a message addressed to someone with the same name but you know it's not for
you, then nobody is forcing you to write a reply to it.

It might help to choose a more unique handle besides "Peter". There are
almost always multiple people with the same first name, so I think one of the reasons why it helps to use a handle is so that people can think of a unique name to use. It should be fairly rare (at least on BBS forums) that people would think of the same handle to use. For instance, in the 8 years I have been on Dove-Net, I have not seen another Nightfox besides myself.

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Re: Question
By: Peter to Digital Man on Fri Nov 13 2015 04:21 am

Re: Question
By: Digital Man to Peter on Fri Nov 13 2015 12:44 am

it's possible you could be
notified of public messages received for a different Peter, but that doesn't mean you'd be able to read the private mail/messages destined for someone else.

This SHOULD NOT happen, even in the echo areas. Then, something is not working right or should be fixed. It happened as you mention. I was receiving all messages I was not supposed to receive because I was a different Peter at a different BBS. This is something to pass it alone to the programmer so he/she can improve that part. It should not happen.

Every DOVE-Net node receives every public message. And every user on every one of those nodes (BBSes) can read those messages. I think you're confused about what it means to "receive a message" in this context. The user doesn't receive the message, the BBS (QWKnet node) does. And it's a public message, just like this one, so pretty much anyone and everyone can see and read it. This is how message networks work. It's nothing new. You might want to restrain yourself from suggesting "fixes" to the software until you understand it better.

Most BBS users either use a unique alias (like "digital man") or their full real name (like "Rob Swindell"). If you want to be known as just

I see, so I have to change my nick an call myself Peter-TRu-lulu-lalala !

You don't have to, but it's a common thing to do.

hehehehe, I would prefer just be the only one and unique peter.bbs.daprose.net , don't you think that is unique enought???

Yes, sure, but it's rather long and doesn't roll of the tongue very well.

I would
preffer not to have any restrictions as to what name I want to use.

You don't have any restrictions other than length (25 chars is common maximum) and some generic names like "sysop" are discouraged.

Nor I
think we should put ouor users in that dilema. If I choos PeterPan, sooner or later there will be another PeterPan and we both will be reading the same echo mail and responding what we do not suppose to respond.

Is this your first time using a BBS message network?

digital man

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Re: Question
By: Digital Man to Peter on Fri Nov 13 2015 03:50 pm

Yes, sure, but it's rather long and doesn't roll of the tongue very well.

hehehehe I was just kidding you but in the other hand I can notice that yes, most users have adopted a nickname while other use their real name.

What name do you think it would be best for me? ANOYING? or SuperAnoying?

Is this your first time using a BBS message network?

I would yes yes to that questions as I have forgoten how they work. I had my own BBS in Chicago when Ward and Christensen developed their own back in the 80's iwth commodores 64, amigas and apples. It's been so long since then that I am re-learning evrything again. Sorry for being so annoying.

Cordially,

Peter Jaramillo
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Re: Question
By: Peter to Digital Man on Thu Nov 12 2015 03:26 am

peter@vert.syncho.net . By the way, I logged in at your bbs and created an account as Peter, and I started to receive all messages I received on mine.

Why did that happen? Peter at my BBS should no be the same as Peter on
your BBS. It must be trated as two different persons. Please do not take

you should always create a unique name. you are not the only peter on the planet earth. you will be receiving emails and junk from all the previous morons who used the name peter on the bbs.
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Re: Question
By: Digital Man to Peter on Fri Nov 13 2015 12:44 am

By the way, I logged in at your bbs and created an
account as Peter, and I started to receive all messages I received on mine.
Why did that happen?

Probably because by "messages" you mean public posts. Everyone can see the public replies to your messages, not just you and not just on your BBS.

I was only shown the messages to Peter, not the rest of the echo messages. While I tought that was a nice feature, in the other hand I thought: "this should not be happening". I say so because I coulb be reading the wrong thread of messages belonging to some else, (another Peter), even if they are public (echo mail) messages.

I do not think two people that have the same name "Peter" may also have the same interests and problems to solve. Please take this just as an opinion. We may have to review this issue again in the future to see if it really matters or not. I would say "it does", but, while it is not relevant as I could "abort" at anytime, it still should not happen.

Thnks for taking the time to help me.

Cordially,

Peter Jaramillo
SYSOP at DAPROSE-BBS
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Re: Question
By: Mro to Peter on Sat Nov 14 2015 08:45 am

you should always create a unique name. you are not the only peter on the planet earth. you will be receiving emails and junk from all the previous morons who used the name peter on the bbs.

heheheheheeeee nice way to put it Mro, and yes, I do not want to read other moron's messages everywhere, heheheheheheeee

Well, being serious about it. The system should be smart enough to recognice one peter from another, instead of having to use an alternate unique name that is not unique at all as I can also choose Mro for as my nick name, but Synchronet should recognice Mro from bbs.daprose.net and Mro from your BBS. That was my point.

Cordially,

Peter Jaramillo

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Re: Question
By: Peter to Mro on Sat Nov 14 2015 08:02 pm

Well, being serious about it. The system should be smart enough to
recognice one peter from another, instead of having to use an alternate unique name that is not unique at all as I can also choose Mro for as my nick name, but Synchronet should recognice Mro from bbs.daprose.net and Mro from your BBS. That was my point.

we'd all have to be connected to one big bbs for that to happen. it's just networked msg bases; it's not private email.

choose a unique name. dont just use peter.

use peter jarjar!
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