JERRY ONLY wrote to ALL <=-
Hello everyone,
I'm just stopping by (via dialup!) to party like it is 1989 and check
my modem connection.
I'm using a VoIP connection (MagicJack), which actually is working suprising well for analog modem (USR 56k Sportster external).
I'm using a VoIP connection (MagicJack), which actually is working suprising well for analog modem (USR 56k Sportster external).
Knight wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
I've been wanting to do this very thing for years now. I wonder which
VoIP service has the best full width (56k) channels that are low
latency and low jitter (the real evil for encoded analog stuff like modems). Especially since it's essentially free to call in the USA now.
There was a lot of joy in connecting out to long distance BBSes over dialup, seeing a cool ANSI screen that reflected their hometown, etc. Something telnet hasn't quite replaced for me.
Dialup over VoIP? Or is there some special data form of the service? To me, lossy codecs and VoIP just don't sound like a match made in heaven. ;)
Hugely expensive back in the day, but even using landlines today it's often inexpensive, as many modern phone plans have untimed or unlimited landline calls over here.
As for telnet, etc, I'm pretty happy with that method of access too, though downloading a 100k QWK packet in the blink of an eye
(on a 100 Mbps LAN) is pretty crazy, instead of having to wait several or tens of minutes (depending on modem speed). :)
Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Greetings...
By: Vk3jed to Knight on Wed Mar 16 2016 11:17 am
Dialup over VoIP? Or is there some special data form of the service? To me, lossy codecs and VoIP just don't sound like a match made in heaven. ;)
Yeah, latency and jitter are death to modems. Landlines didn't suffer
from that, which is what made them so ideal. But connections are
getting faster and more reliable. I can get about 15ms roundtrip to
most big VoIP provider servers on my cable internet connection, with almost no jitter (flucuations in latency over time). And I get a staggering 250Mbps down, 30Mbps up.
So if I could find a solid MTA and voip provider with an unlimited plan with great latency/jitter, along with wide codecs (like official G.711 which has a full 64Kbps bandwidth)... I'd start dialing out.
Many of them handle highspeed FAX transmissions, so that might be worthwhile.
(I use to do Asterisk VoIP consulting in another life back in the
2000s)
Hugely expensive back in the day, but even using landlines today it's often inexpensive, as many modern phone plans have untimed or unlimited landline calls over here.
So crazy expensive. That is what added to the allure, since you had a limited budget to call long distance, you would really enjoy the experience. It was like communicating with someone on Mars or
something.
Yeah, definitely. Though there's still a lot of interface latency. Not sure why ANSI drawing takes so long over telnet. I bet if I had a
telnet client that was more like telemate/minicom/etc I would enjoy it more. SyncTerm is nice, but better on Linux/Windows then on OSX.
Syncterm renders quite quickly here. :)
KNIGHT wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-
There was a lot of joy in connecting out to long distance BBSes over dialup, seeing a cool ANSI screen that reflected their hometown, etc. Something telnet hasn't quite replaced for me.
Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Syncterm renders quite quickly here. :)
I definitely feel the lag when a lot of ANSI displays, or multiple keystrokes hit at same time. It's not instantaneous like a local app.
But, because of net, it's going to happen for pretty much anything.
I've been wanting to do this very thing for years now. I wonder which VoIP
service has the best full width (56k)
channels that are low latency and low jitter (the real evil for encoded analog stuff like modems). Especially
since it's essentially free to call in the USA now.
AFAIK, many VOIP services will only guarantee 9600 or 14400 (mainly to support FAX)... And in my experience you're lucky to get that.
I'm using a VoIP connection (MagicJack), which actually is working suprising well for analog modem (USR 56k Sportster external).I used to own one of those modems many moons ago. US Robotics were the only modems that actually worked well for me.
Anyway, just having fun. Hmm, maybe I'll get my thing fully going auto-answer dialup and get Frontdoor, mail tossers, etc, running allLOL, I used to run a BBS too many moons ago under OS/2 and those were the days :)
again for analog Fidonet. Nah! Nostalgic, but can't even remember for
to set all that suff up anymore since its been so long ago!
I'm using a VoIP connection (MagicJack), which actually is working suprising well for analog modem (USR 56k Sportster external).
Knight wrote to Argelian <=-
Damn. I'm half tempted to get a MagicJack and a USR 56k Sportster just
to try it all out for fun. For nostalghic reasons of course. I highly doubt ANYONE would ever call :)
That's how some of these hobbies are though. It's more about the
learning and experimentation process than about the actual outcome.
Damn. I'm half tempted to get a MagicJack and a USR 56k Sportster just to try it all out for fun. For nostalghic reasons of course. I highly doubt ANYONE would ever call :)
That's how some of these hobbies are though. It's more about the learning and experimentation process than about the actual outcome.
Damn. I'm half tempted to get a MagicJack and a USR 56k Sportster just try it all out for fun. For nostalghic reasons of course. I highly doub ANYONE would ever call :)
That's how some of these hobbies are though. It's more about the learni and experimentation process than about the actual outcome.
I would also doubt many people would call. If anyone does call, it would probably be other nostalgic computer users (quite possibly other BBS sysops)
Nightfox
Damn. I'm half tempted to get a MagicJack and a USR 56k Sportster just to try it all out for fun. For nostalghic reasons of course. I highly doubt ANYONE would ever call :)
That's how some of these hobbies are though. It's more about the learning and experimentation process than about the actual outcome.
I would also doubt many people would call. If anyone does call, it would probably be other nostalgic computer users (quite possibly other BBS sysops).
Nightfox
BBS sysops)I would also doubt many people would call. If anyone does call, it
would probably be other nostalgic computer users (quite possibly other
Nightfox
How many of us actually still even own a Modem? I got rid of my Supra's years ago.
How many of us actually still even own a Modem? I got rid of my Supra's years ago.
Re: Greetings...
By: Denn Gray to Nightfox on Sat Apr 02 2016 01:30 am
How many of us actually still even own a Modem? I got rid of my Supra's years ago.
most people dont even have landlines nowadays. you dont really need one.I still have a land line, only callers I get are solicitors tho.
How many of us actually still even own a Modem? I got rid of my Supra's year ago.
I still have a land line, only callers I get are solicitors tho.
I am half tempted to buy a modem and use the land line for my BBS (My Wife would kill me lol).
I have about six of them because I never throw anything away. I don't even have a dialup phone line anymore, but the modems are safe in some container somewhere.
I still have a land line, only callers I get are solicitors tho.
I am half tempted to buy a modem and use the land line for my BBS (My
Wife would kill me lol).
just get rid of it and use your cellphone.
How many of us actually still even own a Modem? I got rid of my Supra's year ago.
just get rid of it and use your cellphone.
Can you even use a cell phone for that? Even if you could use a cell phone to accept BBS calls, I'd think that would be fairly impractical.
no i mean for everyday life. i wouldnt spend money on a land line. especially since you cant even count on it working nowadays with an emergency.
we had that one guy mrproper who claimed to run a bbs on his cellphone and accept calls, but i think he was full of it.
just to try it all out for fun. For nostalghic reasons of course. I
highly doubt ANYONE would ever call :)
I would also doubt many people would call. If anyone does call, it would probably be other nostalgic computer users (quite possibly other BBS
I have about six of them because I never throw anything away. I don't ev have a dialup phone line anymore, but the modems are safe in some contain somewhere.
you should throw things away.
TEMPO RUBATO wrote to MRO <=-
I have about six of them because I never throw anything away. I don't ev have a dialup phone line anymore, but the modems are safe in some contain somewhere.
you should throw things away.
That's what my wife says but I decided to keep her too.
Denn Gray wrote to Nightfox <=-
Re: Greetings...
By: Nightfox to Knight on Fri Apr 01 2016 03:43 pm
Damn. I'm half tempted to get a MagicJack and a USR 56k Sportster just try it all out for fun. For nostalghic reasons of course. I highly doub ANYONE would ever call :)
That's how some of these hobbies are though. It's more about thelearni and experimentation process than about the actual outcome.
I would also doubt many people would call. If anyone does call, it would
probably be other nostalgic computer users (quite possibly other BBS sysops)
Nightfox
How many of us actually still even own a Modem? I got rid of my Supra's years ago.
i had a guy who was nice enough to setup a dialup to telnet gateway for me.
for 2 years i got just a handful of calls from the same 2 people.
i dont think it's working right now, also.
Damn. I'm half tempted to get a MagicJack and a USR 56k Sportster just to try it all out for fun. For nostalghic reasons of course. I highly doubt ANYONE would ever call :)
Sounds like fun. :) I actually have a few 56k dialup modems kicking around. Both the last modem I used on BBSs and the Internet, as well as some that I inherited from a previous job (surplus, were going to be tossed).
That's how some of these hobbies are though. It's more about the learning and experimentation process than about the actual outcome.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind putting a real modem online, if I could do it without disturbing anything else here.
Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah, I wouldn't mind putting a real modem online, if I could do it without disturbing anything else here.
Let's do it :)
Whle I'm on ADSL, it's certainly feasible to have a dialin modem (fixed line does nothing other than collect telemarketers lol). I'd probably have to set something up as a modem server with SEXPOTS, and have it link over the network to the BBS over the network. :)
Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah, or we can find a good MTA and a rock steady VoIP provider that
uses lossless full-width codecs with low latency. It may require some trial and error, but it can be done.
I could probably make it work with one of my providers, but it would cost more per call to get the more optimal routing. They support just about every codec under the sun, do G711a or G711u should do the trick (since they do on POTS lines these days anyway).
My bigger issue would be ensuring the local ADSL loop behaved itself. The good thing is my router has excellent QoS features, which are turned on, the bad news is the ADSL line is quite long and subject to variable performance at times.
At this point in time, the better bet would be to make use of the underutilised POTS service that is already there and can't be removed. :) Once we get put onto the new high(er) speed network that the government is building, then that situation is likely to change.
Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah, I mentioned a month or so ago about G711 alaw/ulaw. It's a full 64kbit bandwidth with no loss. Latency will be the only issue there,
since latency and it's corresponding jitter measurement could make for some weird outcomes.
My bigger issue would be ensuring the local ADSL loop behaved itself. The good thing is my router has excellent QoS features, which are turned on, the bad news is the ADSL line is quite long and subject to variable performance at times.
Yuck! Yeah that could do it. That would contribute to jitter for sure.
I'm pretty lucky -- my Xfinity cable connection is super fast (latency less than 10ms, down/up is 250mbps/30mbps) so it'll work great.
At this point in time, the better bet would be to make use of the underutilised POTS service that is already there and can't be removed. :) Once we get put onto the new high(er) speed network that the government is building, then that situation is likely to change.
Oh you have a POTS line? Hell yeah, that's the way to go then.
Yeah, the line is 4.7km long, and some DSL modems don't like the line, including the one built into the router, so I use an external DSL modem in bridge mode to get online.
Yep, I have no choice. The only DSL line provider in town will not sell naked DSL, so the POTS line has to come along for the ride. :) The way I'd do it is a small PC with a modem and SEXPOTS running on it, pointed to the BBS across the LAN. An alternative approach would be to run VoIP across the LAN with G711u/a, and use an ATA to connect the modem next to the BBS. The calls can be routed to the ATA by the PBX inside the router. But I think the first approach would be my preferred option, with the modem as close to the POTS line as possible.
Yep, I have no choice. The only DSL line provider in town will not sell naked DSL, so the POTS line has to come along for the ride. :) The way I'd
Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Re: Re: Greetings...
By: Vk3jed to Knight on Sat Apr 23 2016 05:39 pm
Yeah, the line is 4.7km long, and some DSL modems don't like the line, including the one built into the router, so I use an external DSL modem in bridge mode to get online.
Nasty distance. I didn't even know that DSL would work that far away.
What speed do you get out of it?
The last time I had DSL (AT&T U-Verse bonded pair DSL to fiber), it was
so shaky because of old wiring in the building (that I had no control over). It was a 24Mbit line that constantly handshaked down to 10MBit.
It was terrible.
Another consideration I had a long time ago (back in the early 2000s)
was to use a software modem with a VoIP service. I have seen some come
and go in various states of completion over the years. I don't know if
one exists in this true form though.
There are certainly software packet modems/TNCs but they operate at<--> audio layer <--> voip interface bridge).
much lower baud rates. But the concept is similar. The big difference would be having it plugable into a VoIP service (so need software modem
Above my abilities, but I'm certain it's possible. Doubt anyone wants
to make it though :)
Spacesst wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Re: Re: Greetings...
By: Vk3jed to Knight on Sat Apr 23 2016 17:39:00
Yep, I have no choice. The only DSL line provider in town will not sell naked DSL, so the POTS line has to come along for the ride. :) The way I'd
Does isp Support Dry-Loop
The way I'dYep, I have no choice. The only DSL line provider in town will not
sell naked DSL, so the POTS line has to come along for the ride. :)
Does isp Support Dry-Loop
Dry-loop? I haven't heard that terminology, might be what we call naked here. In any case, the issue is not the ISP, it's the telco that provides the actual line (different entity altogether).
Spacesst wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Dry-loop? I haven't heard that terminology, might be what we call naked here. In any case, the issue is not the ISP, it's the telco that provides the actual line (different entity altogether).
Dry-loop = The Line have a phone number But No voice
just internet or/and TV
I get around 3Mbps down and 900k upstream.
Well, I have seen modems designed to work over GSM voice circuits, so it's definitely possible. :)
Knight wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Re: Re: Greetings...
By: Vk3jed to Knight on Sun Apr 24 2016 07:35 am
I get around 3Mbps down and 900k upstream.
Yikes, that's terrible. Are you out in the boonies? Have you thought
about cable internet? I use to avoid it because it use to suck, but
it's come a long way (at least here).
Well, I have seen modems designed to work over GSM voice circuits, so it's definitely possible. :)
Yep, definitely. I need to do some digging and see if there are any software modems still around.
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